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《2000年以来,哪一位FMVP的总决赛表现最为炸裂?》

近日,美国Reddit论坛上,有球迷发了一篇讨论贴,主题是:2000年以来,哪一位FMVP的总决赛表现最为炸裂?此贴的作者原文如下:


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Since 2000, these are some of the Finals MVP performances that really stand out to me, and was wanting some opinions on whose was the “best”. Since I’m asking “Which player” specifically, I won’t be repeating players who won multiple FMVP’s, I tried to pick their best series.

千禧年以来,有几年总决赛的FMVP炸裂表现真的亮瞎了我的眼!所以我就开了这个帖子想听听大家的想法,其中到底哪一位FMVP的总决赛表现最为炸裂!因为我们针对的是“哪位球员”,所以对于那些多次获得FMVP的球员,我仅把他最牛的那次表现给拿出来了。

- Shaq - 2000. It was hard to pick one series from Shaq’s FMVP 3 peat, but his 2000 finals was monstrous. Averaged 38/16.7 with 2.7 blocks and a FG% of .61. Had 3 40+ point games and 2 20+ rebound games, including a 40/24 game in game 2. Lakers beat the Pacers 4-2.

- 奥尼尔(2000年FMVP):要在湖人2000-2003年的三连冠之中,挑出奥尼尔最牛的一次FMVP表现?贼难!不过啊,2000年夺冠的那次总决赛,奥尼尔的表现堪称毁天灭地!那次总决赛,奥尼尔场均38分16.7篮板2.7盖帽,命中率61%,有三场比赛轰下至少40分20篮板,包括G2的40分24篮板的炸裂表现,帮助湖人4-2战胜步行者夺冠!

- Tim Duncan - 2003. 24.2/17/5.3, also averaged 5.3 blocks a game, with 3 games of over 7 blocks. Spurs beat the Nets 4-2.

- 邓肯(2003年FMVP):2003年总决赛场均24.2分17篮板5.3助攻,另外还有场均5.3个盖帽,有3场比赛盖帽超过7个!助马刺以4-2战胜篮网夺冠!

- Dwayne Wade - 2006. 34.7/7.8/3.8 with 2.7 steals and a block. The next highest scorer for the Heat this series was Antoine Walker, who only averaged 13.8 points on 39% shooting. Heat beat the Mavericks 4.2

- 韦德(2006年FMVP):2006年总决赛场均34.7分7.8篮板3.8助攻2.7抢断1盖帽。那次总决赛,热火队场均得分第二高的球员是安东尼-沃克,以39%的命中场均仅得13.8分。热火队4-2战胜小牛夺冠!

- Kobe Bryant - 2009. 32.4/5.6/7.4 with 1.4 steals and 1.4 blocks. Lakers beat the Magic 4-1.

- 科比(2009年FMVP):2009年总决赛场均32.4分5.6篮板7.4助攻1.4抢断1.4盖帽。湖人4-1战胜魔术夺冠!

- LeBron James - 2016. I picked LBJ’s 2016 FMVP for two reasons: Even though he averaged 28.6/10.2/7.4 against the Thunder in 2012, his 3 point percentage was atrocious (.188), and in 2020, he had a lot of help from AD (LBJ-30/12/9, AD-25/11/3). In 2016, LBJ averaged 29.7/11.3/8.9 in Cleveland’s historic 3-1 comeback against the Warriors. He put up 40+ in games 5 and 6 and capped off the series with a 27/11/11 triple double.

- 詹姆斯(2016年FMVP):我选詹姆斯2016年的总决赛表现,有两个原因:第一,2012年战胜雷霆夺冠的那次总决赛,尽管詹姆斯场均28.6分10.2篮板7.4助攻,但是他的三分命中率惨不忍睹,仅18.8%;还有2020年湖人夺冠那次,浓眉的发挥给了詹姆斯很大的帮助(那次总决赛詹姆斯场均30分12篮板9助攻,浓眉25分11篮板3助攻);第二,2016年总决赛,詹姆斯带领骑士队在1-3落后勇士队的情况下完成惊天大逆转,场均砍下29.7分11.3篮板8.9助攻,在G5和G6均轰下40+,并在G7砍下27分11篮板11助攻的三双终结系列赛,夺得总冠军!

- Kevin Durant - 2017. Averaged 35.2/8.2/5.4 on .556/.474/.927 splits. Warriors beat the Cavs 4-1.

- 杜兰特(2017年FMVP):2017年总决赛场均35.2分8.2篮板5.4助攻,三项命中率分别是55.6%.47.4%/92.7%,勇士队4-1击败骑士队夺冠!

- Kawhi Leonard - 2019. Averaged 28.5/9.8/4.2 with two steals and a block. Also shot 58-64 from the line that series. Raptors beat the Warriors 4-2.

- 莱昂纳德(2019年FMVP):2019年总决赛场均28.5分9.8篮板4.2助攻2抢断1盖帽,整个系列赛罚球64罚58中,带领猛龙4-2击败勇士夺冠!

- Giannis Antetokounmpo - 2021. Averaged 35.2/13.2/5 with 1.2 steals and 1.8 blocks. Capped of the series with a 50/14 game which saw him block 5 shots and shoot 16-25 from the field and 17-19 from the line. Bucks won 4-2 over the Suns.

- 字母哥(2021年FMVP):2021年总决赛场均35.2分13.2篮板5助攻1.2抢断1.8盖帽,在系列赛最后一场比赛中狂轰50分14篮板,送出5个盖帽,投篮25投16中,罚球19罚17中,带领雄鹿4-2战胜太阳夺冠!

- Nikola Jokic - 2023. 30.2/14/7.2. Like LBJ in 2020, Jokic had a lot of help from Jamaal Murray (21.4/6.2/10). But those numbers from a 7 footer on .583/.421/.838 splits speak for themselves. What makes it better is that he was probably thinking about horses the whole time.

- 约基奇(2023年FMVP):2023年总决赛场均30.2分14篮板7.2助攻,和2020年的詹姆斯相似,今年的约基奇得到了队友贾马尔-穆雷的很多帮助(穆雷总决赛场均21.4分6.2篮板10助攻)。不过约基奇作为一个7尺大中锋,能以58.3%/42.1%/83.8%的三项命中率砍下上述总决赛数据,这本身就已经是个牛逼事儿了。更不用说,在打总决赛期间,很可能约基奇有一半的脑子是花在了他的爱马上面…

I tried picking players that REALLY stood out. If I totally blanked on a couple please call me out for being a casual.

上述这些,是我挑的一些异常炸裂的FMVP表现,如果有啥遗漏的,大家尽管指出来,毕竟我也不是什么专业人士哈~

Edit: Kawhi and KD probably could’ve stayed off the list. I also didn’t add Curry in 2022 because of Jayson Tatum’s terrible/inefficient offense in that series… but that probably wasn’t a valid reason to leave him off. I also threw in Kobe, because I felt I had to at least throw him in the mix.

补充:莱昂纳德和杜兰特可能不用放在这个清单里面,而且我也没有放2022年的库里,因为那年的塔图姆在总决赛的表现太烂太低效了…不过这个理由可能也不是很站得住脚啦…另外我把科比也放了进来,因为我觉得怎么着都得把科比给放进来吧…

******以下是美网友的讨论******

[–]Bucksnight_dude 347 points 6 days ago

“also averaged 5.3 blocks a game, with 3 games of over 7 blocks.”

Holy shit

雄鹿球迷:“另外还有场均5.3个盖帽,有3场比赛盖帽超过7个!”你妹啊…

注:此处美网友引用了邓肯2003年总决赛的数据

[–][SEA] Kevin DurantWestleyThe 121 points 6 days ago

24/17/5 with 5 blocks per game…

Timmy is sooo underrated man

超音速球迷:场均24分17篮板5助攻还有5个盖帽…邓肯真的被低了大估了…天哪…

[–]wildturkey116 3 points 6 days ago

Underrated how? He’s pretty much universally loved, respected, and a highly decorated player (NBA & NCAA). He’s a consensus top 3 player at his position, considered one of the greatest players ever, and HOF bound.

球迷:低估?哪儿低估了?邓肯可以说是人人爱戴,在NCAA和NBA世界都可以说是誉满天下!他是他这个位置上的历史前3的存在,史上最伟大的球员之一,名人堂成员啊!

[–]SpursConn3er 90 points 6 days ago

You just called him consensus top 3 at his position, which is underrating him.

That would be like calling Jordan a consensus top 3 at SG

There is no one close to either of them at those positions.

马刺球迷:你说邓肯是同位置历史前三,那就已经是低估他啦~~你这么说,相当于在说乔丹是历史前三的得分后卫一样!同位置上找不到其他任何球员可以跟这两人相提并论的!

[–]:yc-1: Yacht Clubec2xs 118 points 6 days ago

The second best offense player on that 2003 Spurs team was a 20-year old Tony Parker, who averaged 14 ppg on 38.6% shooting. That 2003 run doesn"t get talked about enough as a Hakeem-level carry job.

球迷:2003年总决赛,马刺队场均得分第二高的球员是年仅20岁的托尼-帕克,场均以38.6%的命中率拿14分…人们对2003年冠军的讨论度太低了,那年邓肯可是像奥拉朱旺那样,一路抬着马刺拿的冠军啊~~~

[–]SpursTheCalvinator 51 points 6 days ago

Duncan still holds the NBA record for most winshares in a championship run for 2003.

马刺球迷:2003年夺冠那次,邓肯的胜率贡献值仍然是联盟未破的纪录呢!

[–]LakersMustard_Jam 366 points 6 days ago

This is really a race for second because coming back from 3-1 against a 73-9 team while almost averaging a triple double is hard to beat.

I"d say Giannis for second. I really think that finals still doesn"t get as much respect as it should from an individual standpoint. The Suns were clear favorites (like -160) and Holiday was a no show like always on offense. It was essentially Giannis playing like superman on both ends of the court. Then game 6 which was pretty much a must win with game 7 in Phoenix he drops 50 to close it out. No one else showed up from the Bucks and Giannis just took over.

Shaq was insanely impressive against the Pacers but that series had some of the most lobsided odds ever. The Lakers were like -2000 going into it or something absurd like that. Beating a team that"s better than your team on paper but you win because the FMVP was just so fucking dominant goes a long way IMO.

湖人球迷:在我看来,这不纯纯的“你们谁来争第二”的话题吗?在总决赛1-3落后于一支常规赛战绩73胜9负球队的情况下,最终完成了惊天大逆转,这表现堪称无敌了啊~~~

至于第二嘛,我会选字母哥,从个人表现的角度看,字母哥的那次总决赛表现没有得到它本该有的尊重!太阳队当时是夺冠热门(当时赔率好像是-160),而霍乐迪在进攻端几乎一直是隐身的,雄鹿队在攻防两端基本上全靠字母哥的超人表现!当时的G6是雄鹿必须要赢下来的比赛,因为如果输了的话,G7就要回太阳主场打,在这种情况下,字母哥在G6轰下50分带走比赛结束了系列赛!雄鹿队其他人没有一个人能站出来,就字母哥一个人在大杀特杀!

奥尼尔在2000年总决赛的表现疯得一批,不过那次总决赛两队的实力差距罕见的一边倒,总决赛开始前,湖人的夺冠赔率简直离谱,好像是-2000还是啥的。

所以在我看来,面对一支纸面实力强于你的球队,你们击败了他们,并且原因是你们的FMVP实在太TM强了,这才更能体现FMVP的价值啊!

[–]PistonsTel3visi0n 104 points 6 days ago

Bron lead both teams in all major stats categories too

活塞球迷:16年总决赛,詹姆斯在所有的关键数据统计上,均领先于两队的所有球员!

[–]Dryproperties 47 points 6 days ago

Idc whether someone is a LBJ fan or not… but this is factually the correct answer.

球迷:我才不管大家是不是詹姆斯球迷呢…2016年FMVP的表现最牛,这是正确答案,不争的事实!

[–]MagicMaddoxGoodwin 0 points 6 days ago

2016 LBJ was God tier

魔术球迷:2016年总决赛的詹姆斯,是神级的!

[–]mym0j0s0d0pe 261 points 6 days ago

I think even Bron"s biggest haters will say it is him in 2016.

球迷:我觉得哪怕是黑到头儿的詹黑,也会说最牛的FMVP表现就是2016年的詹姆斯~

[–]BullsMundaneInternetGuy 2 points 6 days ago

Am LeBron"s biggest haters, can confirm

公牛球迷:我就是最黑的詹黑,我可以证明楼上的观点~~

[–]WarriorsMC-Jdf 136 points 6 days ago

Kind of hard to say otherwise.

To lead a championship series in all 5 major statistical categories is absurd.

勇士球迷:这确实没啥好说的…五项关键数据统计都领先两队所有球员,这就非常扯了啊~~

[–]BucksGaetan123456 62 points 6 days ago

It’s definitely Lebron 2016 but I’m way too biased here so I’m going with Giannis

雄鹿球迷:肯定选2016年的詹姆斯啦~不过我这个人偏心得很,我就要选字母哥~~~

[–]euphory_melancholia 17 points 6 days ago

im gonna go with giannis on this one. man"s almost out of the finals with that knee injury, came back like it was nothing game, dropped back to back 40 point double doubles, the legendary block in game 4, the crazy sequence in game 5, and the 50-piece to end the 50-year drought. what a poetic ending

球迷:我也选字母哥,这男人差点因为膝伤退出了总决赛,后来却跟没事人儿似的回来继续打,接着连续两场砍下40+两双,还在G4送出一记载入史册的盖帽,接着在G5继续疯狂输出,最后在G6砍下50分,结束了雄鹿队50年的冠军荒,简直是像诗一般的完美结局啊~~

(字母哥封盖艾顿空接扣篮)

[–]this_place_stinks 43 points 6 days ago

Giannis performance is still underrated. Didn’t he hit like 15 straight FTs or something as part of that 50 piece?

That close out game is one of the best ever played imo

球迷:字母哥的表现还是被低估了啊…G6的那场50分表现中,他是不是还连续命中了15个罚球啊?这场系列赛终结战表现,是我见过最牛的之一!

[–]Adorable-Physics-782 60 points 6 days ago*

Yea but that Suns team was the weakest team to come out of the west in this century. They had a cakewalk path due to injuries to AD, Murray, and Kawhi. It is not like he beat the warriors or even a lebron / AD Lakers, he beat up on Ayton.

球迷:说得不错,但是那支太阳队是本世纪进总决赛的最弱西部球队,他们的季后赛之旅一路畅通,当年浓眉伤了、穆雷伤了、小卡也伤了。雄鹿的总决赛对手又不是巅峰勇士或者詹姆斯/浓眉同时健康的湖人这样的强队,他们只是打败了顿宝而已啊~~~

[–]HeatInsertRandomName__ 7 points 6 days ago

Shaq. He dominated the series from start to end.

热火球迷:我选奥尼尔~当年他从头到尾统治了整个总决赛啊~~

[–]KaiserKaiba 30 points 6 days ago

Bron imo. Not the most efficient, or the highest scoring but the context makes that series performance like his magnum opus. 30/11/9/3/2 against a 73-win GSW team and averaged more pts/reb/ast/stls/blks than anyone from either team as he led Cleveland to a championship through a 1-3 deficit comeback. Had potentially the best 3 game stretch from games 5-7.

I also think with the others you mentioned, 2022 Steph should be here. His performance was def all time. And series momentum changed after he led GSW to tie the series up in game 4 to avoid going down 3-1.

球迷:我选2016年的詹姆斯~虽然他的表现并不是最高效的、也不是得分最高的FMVP,但是介于那个总决赛的特殊背景,使其成为最具影响力的总决赛FMVP表现!面对常规赛战绩73胜9负的勇士队,场均砍下30分11篮板9助攻3抢断2盖帽,五项数据在两队所有球员中均高居第一,并且在大比分1-3落后的情况下,完成大逆转夺冠!从G5到G7连续三场比赛的表现堪称最佳!

另外,对于提到的其他FMVP表现,我觉得2022年的库里应该放上去,那年库里的总决表现是史诗级的!整个系列赛的走势,随着和勇士队2-2逼平系列赛、避免了1-3落后之后,发生了彻底的转变!

(库里2022总决赛G4超神表现)

[–]Maverickslalajoy04 6 points 6 days ago

Free throws don’t always come up because it isn’t as sexy of a stat, but Dirk having a 97.8% free throw percentage in the 2011 finals sticks out to me.

独行侠球迷:虽然罚球数据没有其他数据来的那么性感,因此不太惹人注意,不过诺维斯基在2011年总决赛上能罚出97.8%的罚球命中率,在我眼里也是光彩夺目的存在!

[–]korpycar -1 points 6 days ago

I think it"s Nowitzki. By far the the biggest underdog in finals and with minimal help. Fuck numbers, eye test says it"s him

球迷:我觉得最牛的就是2011年的诺维斯基,带领有史以来最不被看好的总决赛球队,身边的帮手也是最少,最终拿下总冠军!数据算个屁啊!眼见为实!就是诺维斯基!

[–]Izur_777[S] 5 points 6 days ago

I remember that series as a kid. I spent all summer trying to replicate that one legged turn around fade

球迷:我记得当年看小牛打总决赛的时候,我还是个小破孩呢~完事儿后,那年整个夏天,我都在模仿诺天王的金鸡独立转身后仰投篮~~~

[–]Izur_777[S] 46 points 6 days ago

For me, it’s:

1)LBJ 2) Dwayne Wade 3) Giannis 4) Shaq 5) Duncan

球迷:我的选择是:第一,16年詹姆斯;第二,06年韦德;第三,21年字母哥;第四,00年奥尼尔;第五,03年邓肯

[–]Raptorsfrostbite3030 2 points 6 days ago

Wade is 5 for me and its not even close. It was infuriating to watch the refs in that series.

Like saying the Lakers over Sacremento is your favorite series.

猛龙球迷:楼上的,在我眼里韦德只能排在第五,而且跟其他四个根本没法儿比!因为06年总决赛的裁判判罚尺度,看得简直能把人给气死!和你们最爱的02年湖人VS国王的那个西决系列赛一样气人!

[–]Extreme-Transport 2 points 6 days ago

I know blocks isn’t the best indicator, but interesting that the best defensive performance and biggest carry job is last

球迷:我也来补充一句。虽然我明白,盖帽这种数据并不是最受球迷欢迎的,但是在这些FMVP中,邓肯坐拥最强防守表现以及最牛的总决赛carry,你却把他排到了最后??

[–]WarriorsSartheking 24 points 6 days ago

Shaq. Yes the circumstances specifically around LeBron in 2016 coming back from 3-1 gives him a case but the problem with that is that punishes Shaq for not going down 3-1 and dominating the series from start to finish. The way LeBron played in those final three games was how Shaq played the entire Finals.

I think Shaq is a clear 1 followed by LeBron and then Giannis. If we’re talking about a full Playoff run Duncan has a strong case but as it’s just the Finals I think he’s below the others. I think Wade’s performance given the load he carried was incredible also.

勇士球迷:我选大鲨鱼奥尼尔!没错,詹姆斯在2016年完成1-3大逆转这种特殊情况是非常加分的,但是奥尼尔因为太强而从头到尾统治了系列赛,因此他都没机会1-3落后对手啊,这对奥尼尔来说反而变成了减分项?虽然2016年总决赛詹姆斯从G5到G7连续统治了三场,但是奥尼尔可是直接统治了一整个系列赛的存在啊!

所以在我看来,奥尼尔应该排第一,接着是詹姆斯,第三是字母哥。如果从整个季后赛的维度看,03年的邓肯非常强,但是今天我们仅看总决赛表现的话,邓肯相比那几位就稍弱一点点了。而韦德呢,考虑到他在06年总决赛上所承担的压力,他的表现也是非常牛逼的!

[–]NuggetsHanhonhon 20 points 6 days ago*

Shaq (2000)

Lebron (2016)

Wade (2006)

Giannis (2021)

Duncan (2003)

EDIT: Bron is probably #1 actually

掘金球迷:我的排名是:奥尼尔(2000)、詹姆斯(2016)、韦德(2006)、字母哥(2021)、邓肯(2003)。

补充:实际上16年詹姆斯可能应该排在第一。

[–]Khione_Asteri 2 points 6 days ago

KD does not deserve a shout. he was extremely enabled by Curry’s off ball gravity. when you benefit from a top 10-15 (realistically there’s 15 dudes people argue for top 10) player of all time at his peak playing next to you you don’t really get to say your finals performance was super impressive.

球迷:杜兰特的表现根本不值得被拿出来讨论!他太受益于库有引力了!当你和有一个处于巅峰期的历史前10-15球员(实际上,历史上应该有15个左右的球员可以被纳入前十的讨论范畴)一起打球,受益于他的牵制力,你也就不要跟别人说自己的总决赛表现有多牛逼了~~

[–]tbrenclaimed 5 points 6 days ago

Averaging 35 on 70% TS with stellar defense is absolutely nuts Idc if he had Curry to help him out lmao,

球迷:在总决赛以70%的真实命中率场均砍下35分,而且防守也是一流的,这难道还不够臭屁的啊!?什么库有引力,还管他个球啊,哈哈哈哈~~~

[–]PistonsTel3visi0n -3 points 6 days ago

Lmao get KD the fuck out of this discussion please

活塞球迷:笑死我啦~~~请拿块橡皮把杜兰特从这篇讨论中给他妈的擦掉,拜托~~~

[–]San Francisco WarriorsPaschalls_Law 54 points 6 days ago

“I also didn’t add Curry in 2022 because of Jayson Tatum’s terrible/inefficient offense in that series”

Then take off Lebron in 2016 because of Curry’s terrible offense in that series. Tf kind of logic is that lmao

勇士球迷:楼主说“而且我也没有放2022年的库里,因为那年的塔图姆在总决赛的表现太烂太低效了…”

楼主啊,照你这么说的话,也请把2016年詹姆斯也拿掉吧,因为库里在那年总决赛打得太烂了!这都TM什么逻辑啊,笑死个人了!

[–]bowenbear 6 points 6 days ago

Lol I was gonna say that. By that logic way more players should be taken off his list.

球迷:哈哈哈,我也想说这个来着,按照楼主这种说法,要从这个清单上拿掉球员可多了去了~~~

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